>> here is my observation. should crime rise as a result of limiting stop and frisk? the most victimized, sadly, will be from the same community as those whose civil liberties the judge sought to protect. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, michael, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the collapse of the gop law and order scare tactic. today republicans were trying to defend new york's stop and frisk program, even though a federal judge ruled that it violates people's constitutional rights. >> if holder and obama want to investigate a police department, why don't they look at chicago? >> this single act alone is enough to cause it to go in another direction. it's another step closer to making new york city like detroit. >> we've heard this kind of talk before.

but america is a different country. voters are rejecting 40 years of gop scare tactics. voters are supporting the obama administration's move to end severe mandatory sentences for low-level nonviolent drug offenders. of course, over at fox, they don't get it. >> they're not pot smokers. they're not pill poppers. >> wait a second. 50%. but the thing, what if the kid has a drug problem? >> then you get the kid to rehab or lock him in the basement or do what you have to do. that's what parents do. >> who thinks that one of these elderly people who have been in prison for a mandatory minimum sentence, that they're going to get out and they're not going to be on public assistance? of course they are. >> so we should keep people in prison to keep them off public aid? we should just lock up people with drug problems. this kind of demonizing and

fearmongering is really nothing new for the right. it goes all the way back to president richard nixon. >> america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse. in order to fight and defeat this enemy, it is necessary to wage a new all-out offensive. >> this so-called war on drugs was ramped up under president reagan. prison populations exploded. republicans vilified democrats by labeling them soft on crime. like with the notorious willie horton ads against michael dukakis. >> his revolving door systems gave furloughs to prisoners not eligible for parole. >> one was willie horton, who murdered a boy in a robbery, stabbing him 19 time. >> this led directly to discriminatory programs like stop and frisk and stand your

ground and three strikes you're out. but the tide is turning, and now americans want real justice. joining me now is congressman from new york gregory weeks, a democrat representing the borough of queens. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congressman, america spent a trillion dollars, a trillion on this war on drugs since 1971. we spent $33,000 a year on high security inmates. but only $10,000 on students. aren't these priorities that americans are rejecting now that they are not seeing a return for spending three times more for locking up people and lifting up children? >> absolutely. they're seeing that it's bringing down america. likewise, you see that america is not able to compete with other countries because our

talent, we're locking them up, spending all the money on jails and not putting money in schools to educate them so that they are able to take the jobs that we're creating right here in america, the good high-tech jobs if we train them. we use the same amount of money that we use to lock up folks, to educate folks, then we'll see we'll start moving up in the world again and educating and putting people to work. and that's what america wants. because they understand it helps us when folks are working and not in jail. >> now, barbara, yesterday a federal judge ruled that stop and frisk in new york was unconstitutional. and in fact was profiling, and said the city leaders was turning a blind eye. of course over across town at fox, they went berserk. they didn't waste any time attacking the ruling. watch this. >> you have people who live in these so-called bad, poor neighborhoods that mayor bloomberg was talking about there that they're actually against the judge's decision. >> the judge should move into

bedsty or up in some of the difficult areas of staten island where this has made -- this has saved lives, this policy. >> stopping and frisking anyone that they feel is suspicious, and they're doing it. it doesn't matter if you're white, black, latino, you're going to get stop and frisked if they have a suspicion. it's not profiling if that's the case. >> the so-called stop and frisk measure, which is not only a law enforcement measure, but also tactic. but also an anti-terrorism tactic. >> now, barbara, are they thinking that people are hallucinating? that's the people that have come out and said it's profiling, the people that live in bedsty and parts of staten island. that's who has been our marches and rallies saying this, and the judge is saying this. and what kills me is when they say, well, that's where the crime is. well, how do they explain in areas where it is overwhelmingly white, the people that are stopped most are blacks? they don't live in that

neighborhood. they're not doing the crimes. this is racial profiling. this a federal judge says unconstitutional. i thought they supported the constitution and with the court's find. >> yes. and what was so important about judge scheindlin's ruling is that she says very clearly that you cannot violate the fourth amendment by just stopping people for these vague crazy reasons, such as furtive movements. >> right. >> or saying that you thought that people were in a high crime area, you know. all of these really bad reasons that were used, that weren't based upon any constitutional principle, a reasonable suspicion. and it was very important that the judge talked about the poor training, the poor supervision, the of police officers and the fact that they were encouraged to engage in these policies of racially profiling african-americans and latinos. and what is really important is

that this also ties into attorney general holder's speech yesterday where he is now calling on, you know, these new policies to stop charging people for these minor offenses because what we're doing is we're overcrowding our jails. we're feeding the prison industrial complex, and we're not really stopping kriech inpi >> and we're overcrowding jails with people for minor offenses while people are that are guilty of other offenses don't have mandatory time. if they're so concerned about the people in bedsty where i grew up and other places, then why aren't they concerned enough to say that a woman that i showed last night shouldn't be doing a dozen years for a $30 buy of marijuana. and murderers and rapists don't have mandatory time. they can't talk out of both sides of their mouth. >> you're absolutely right, rev. i used to be a prosecutor.

what drove me out of being a prosecutor is when you took away the discretion of prosecutors as well as judges to make decisions based upon the fax. i think what the american people are saying now, because they see these horrendous kinds of cases where people because of three strikes and you're out, or because of the mandatory minimums are going to jail for a long period of time when they should not have gone for that period of time. and so they want the proper justice for the proper people. and clearly, it's gone way aboveboard, and now the american people are starting to have their voice. 25% of the entire prison population in the world is here in the united states of america. >> now, barbara, when you go to stop and frisk, the thing that bothers me, and nobody fights crime more than we have. i've done gun buybacks with this police commissioner. we have people who stay out on the streets all weekend in our group, occupying corners. but when you take good kids and criminalize them, have i two plaintiffs on last night.

one has been stopped over ten times. one five to ten times. the humiliation, the kind of bitterness you build in good kids should be a consideration of this mayor. watch these kids i had on last night. >> you grow up, you know, coming from 14 years old and being stopped numerous times for no apparent reason, it's almost as if kind of social conditioning that stop has frisk has become in our communities, and it's very damaging. >> it's harming the nypd's ability to work with the community to fight crime. >> we didn't beat the city. we're trying to beat back dividing the city. >> we are the city. we are the city. and we got to work with them. >> see, barbara. i mean, yeah, i get it. we got to get the hardened criminals. but don't they understand how it tears at our hearts, kids and young men that are doing the right thing, working, trying to build a family, that are constantly humiliated? they don't have the pause even

with this to stop and say wait a minute, we cannot do this to innocent people? >> well, it's what i call this whole thing about being, you know, a precarious american where you get de-americanized by these policies that suddenly say oh, you're black. so you're not entitled to the full constitutional protections under the 4th and 14th amendment. i think that's what is beautiful about what the judge has done here is that she is focused on the humanity of all people and said that the constitution applies to all people, that you can't have these race-based programs, and you can't stigmatize people. you can't limit their ability to move freely in society to exercise their full rights as americans just because of their race, just because you think that they're a member of a group that commits a lot of crime. all of these crazy what i call self-fulling prophesies that really limit the ability of african-americans and latinos to participate fully in our society. so this is a great ruling. i think it's one of the most

important rulings in the criminal justice and racial justice area in years. >> i think it is. congressman, i know the congressional black caucus and others will be back, and attorney general in moving forward on these things. what we're not trying to do is stop fighting crimeful we want to fight the criminals a and not fight those that are innocent. >> absolutely. disneyland is a whole plan that we're going to be going around the nation with congressman danny davis and rush out of chicago. they had a meeting in chicago already. they're looking to take that from city to city so we can address those issues and work with the attorney general to make sure that the criminal, the real criminal goes behind bars, but those that just innocent and have been in there for a long period of time for nonviolent drug offenses. >> we must all unite against criminals, but we cannot have innocent young men grow up afraid of the cops and the robbers. congressman meeks and barbara arnwine, thank you both for your

time. >> thank you. ahead, the chaos behind closed doors. how house leaders don't want to shut down, but are too chicken to say it. and hillary clinton speaks out on voting rights, as anthony weiner speaks out on her potential 2016 run. does hillary have a anthony weiner problem? >> do you know what her role in hillary's 2016 campaign is going to be? >> difficult. >> what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. and bill o'reilly says food stamps are encouraging parasites to take as much as they want. i'm bringing out some facts on him to snack on. also, what is on your mind? e-mail me. friend or foe, i want to know. "reply al" is ahead. ♪ [ crashing ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight,

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hey, did you all know today is a holiday? really. it is. but it's not one to celebrate. >> today is mock obama day. we'll be mocking obama all day today because that's what we do in america. >> that's what we do in america? no, that's what some on the far right do to divide. mock america day -- mock obama day became a top trending term on twitter today. this is a term facing today's republican party. it's not just glenn beck. it's serious, because gop leaders are scared to denounce this kind of mentality, and it has a real effect on policy.

today the conservative national review reported top house republicans are quietly pushing back against the tea party's government shutdown plan over obama care. they know it would be political suicide, and is causing chaos behind closed doors. >> who gets blamed? does anybody think that americans are going to escape blamed for our troops not being paid, our prison guards not being paid, our border patrol not getting paid? let's not kid ourselves. we'll be blamed. this is the one strategy, the one tactic that might be able to guarantee that the democrats pick up seats in the congress in 2014. >> it's a party without a plan. without an idea, without a message. the result is chaos. joining me now are abby huntsman, co-host of the cycle here on msnbc, and nia-malika henderson from "the washington post." thank you for coming on the show. >> great to be here. >> thanks very having us.

>> abby, mock obama day? maybe it's a joke to the far right, but isn't this the mentality that is hurting the party? >> no, you're absolutely right. and this lack of leadership goes without even saying. it's one thing if you want to mock a certain issue or a policy. if you don't agree with obama care, go ahead and write. that's what democracy is all about. this is below that. this is a personal attack. it also sets the tone for the upcoming generation this name-calling is okay. not just name-calling, but the president of the united states. what happened to respecting our political leaders? i think that's gone. and when you have folks that have a microphone like glenn beck, it's a sad time when you see him actually promoting this type of language. >> but why aren't the more stable and the more adult-minded republican leaders denouncing this? >> i think you're seeing it more and more. and you're going to continue to see. you even have mitt romney who is the nominee, nine months ago recently come out and say look, guys, we need to stop voting for

the umpteenth time to fund obama care. >> fourth. >> fourth. this is not getting us anywhere. we need to start putting forward ideas. i think after this breck when it dozen end i think you're going to start seeing pushback from folks in the party which ultimately needs to happen. >> you know, nia-malika, you have all kind of pundits like sean hannity helping to really drive this shutdown the government fever. watch this. >> i almost view it as a last stand. i know there are political calibrations, calculations that some have to make. i just want -- i want people of principle that aren't making political calculations, maybe it hurts in the long run, and if it does, i'm sorry. i just -- it seems that this is the hill to die on. >> i mean, how much of this is a problem for the leadership when you have people that can impact their base, they're saying well, let's die on this hill? >> well, you've seen from representative boehner and representative cantor real

closed door heart to heart sessions with the members of their party who were dead set on shutting down the government, basically make this argument that it's not practical. there is no upside for the republican party, and they are trying to recalibrate what is a real push to try to shut down the government. and it looks like there has been a decision that they're moving away from that idea and trying to figure out what is next. is it a matter of, you know, the whole idea originally was repeal and replace. is it a matter of republicans coming up with different and better ideas around health care? or is it a situation where they slowly try to chip away at the implementation of obama care and put hurdles in the way for the implementation. but it does look like boehner is the kind of leader where he lets, you know, certain members of his party kind of vent. i don't think he is very much concerned with what hannity says or limbaugh says, but he is certainly concerned with what the members say. but it looks like they have gotten all of the fuming off of their chest, and that they're going in different directions

avoiding a shutdown. >> the members and their constituents, many of them listen to these talkers. but then you are getting some, like going to your point, abby, you have at a town hall congressman tom cole who is a republican publicly denounced the shutdown plan. watch this. >> you won't win that fight. it won't be popular. never polls popular. and what do you tell people you're inconveniencing? most of the people you know, that argue this standpoint are not thinking why would you shut down the national weather center that just saved a whole lot of lives in central oklahoma by giving 16 minutes of warning instead of two? why would you put 15,000 families -- that's families, out of work at tinker air force base? they're performing important national events. >> i mean, can this kind of talk put the tea party monster away, political monster? >> i think malika is exactly right when she says more than anything this is a venting

session from many of the republicans that are talking about shutting down the government, because ultimately it is a disaster. if you were to ask them, if you were to pin many of the folks down they would probably also tell you that this is a disaster. it is political talking points for them. it's theatrics. but ultimately, it hurts them politically, because they at the end of the day they don't have a lot of political leverage left to stand on. i think you have republicans out there saying hey, guys, let's use the debt ceiling. let's come to the table. let's start putting forth ideas so we can win on something else. >> talking about splits in the republican party, you know, nia-malika, the queen of the tea party crowd sarah palin is attacking chris christie. i mean, such division. i just get excited. let me show you. >> you know, some people look at him as oh, man, he is a governor who goes rogue. no, you know, he's got a shtick going there where he's got a youtube videographer following

him around in these setup situations sometimes so he can be seen as perhaps a little bit avant-garde and going rogue on things. but no, chris christie is for government and his record proves that. >> you couldn't make this up. now you have palin, the queen of the tea party going after christie, probably the most viable at this point in the polls to give a big -- at least a respected presidential run against the democrat in 2016. >> yeah, that's right. i think he is certainly the republican that democrats are most afraid of come 2016. in palin's words there, we get a preview of 2016. should rand paul decide to run, he is considering a run. should chris christie decide to run? ted cruz, you are very much going to see that split. and it will be played out i think very, very early in that iowa contest, in iowa caucuses, because those are folks who are very much tea party, very much evangelicals. so chris christie, i think the

interesting thing will be to see what chris christie does to mollify the sort of right side of his party, the far right side of his party. >> i don't think he'll speak to sarah palin. i think if anything this really hurts rand paul, because what he does need to establish is some sort of credibility among the establishment of the party, and just among general voters to prove that he has what it takes to actually be someone who is taken seriously in 2016. >> yeah, but i think in those primaries, it is tea party types that really show up. and that's the energy of the party. you saw mitt romney tangling with those real fired up primary voters. >> and palin can energize those tea parties. >> yes, definitely. >> and get them all fired up. >> definitely. >> and that will end up giving you a marginal candidate on the republican side. >> i love this idea, though, that chris christie is this bigger government guy. because if you look at the states that have actually taken federal aid versus what they have given to the federal government, kentucky is very high on that list. new jersey is at the very bottom

of that list. >> yeah. chris christie made that very point in his fight with rand paul and rand paul slapped him back and called him the king of bacon. >> we need them to keep it going. you know sarah palin, tell her to call me. she can come on any time. >> i'll do my best, reverend, i'll do my best. >> abby hunt sman, nia-malika henderson, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> be sure to catch abby on the cycle right here on msnbc. coming up, anthony weiner is talking about hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, one little problem. shh hasn't announced anything. but first, bill o'reilly's ugly war on food stamps. why he says the obama administration is encouraging parasites to come out. he'll chew on some of the fax. next. [ female announcer ] birdhouse plans. nacho pans.

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the poor are parasites. we've heard these kinds of attacks before, welfare queen, the 47%, makers versus takers. fox news is peddling this garbage in a new one-hour documentary called the great food stamp binge, featuring some of the right's favorite myths about the poor. >> the government has reached in to american neighborhoods and says it's okay to be dependent. >> shouldn't there be at least some stigma? >> when the safety net becomes a hammock. >> the retail is that american poor people are not malnourished. they in fact eat too much food. >> the poor eat too much food? that's ridiculous. and offensive. the average food stamp benefit is just $4.50 a day, just 1.50

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appearances, taking a bigger role in the clinton foundation. and last night she strongly condemned voter suppression laws. >> we've seen a sweeping effort across our country to obstruct new obstacles to voting. often undercover of addressing a phantom epidemic of election fraud. now not every obstacle is related to race, but anyone who says that racial discrimination is no longer a problem in american elections must not be paying attention. >> so she certainly looks and sounds like someone ready to run, but she hasn't revealed her future plans. enter anthony weiner, the scandal-plagued candidate for new york city mayor is married to one of clinton's closest aides, huma abedin is considered like a daughter to the clintons. bill clinton officiated their wedding. but i doubt mrs. clinton wants anthony weiner making news about her 2016 plans. like he did last night.

>> do you know what her role is, hillary's 2016 campaign is going to be? >> i do. >> what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. >> the primary in the mayor's race is less than a month away. but i can't help to believe that mrs. clinton wants it over even sooner. joining me now are maria teresa kumar and jonathan capehart. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> now anthony weiner denied today that he was confirming mrs. clinton's 2016 run. but jonathan, do you think he broke news? >> well, to my ear, it certainly sounded like he broke news. the question from what sounded like ben smith of buzz feed was very clear. do you know your wife's role in hillary's 2016 campaign? there is only one campaign we're talking about. there is only one presidential election that is coming up. and anthony weiner definitively said yes, and then refused to say what that role would be.

i think by technical standards -- >> by saying yes it's like confirming there is in fact a campaign. >> well, at least what it sounded like to me. but i haven't heard anything from the clinton camp whether they even regard anthony weiner or anything that he says particularly when it comes to her, whether they take any of that seriously. >> now the political reporter last month that the clinton camp says they're done with him, and in fact they're not involved with this campaign at all, do you think this even further causes tension, jonathan? >> absolutely. look. i think they would love, one, for september 10th, the date of the primary to come sooner rather than later. they wish he wasn't even in the race, because he's a distraction. remember, senator -- former secretary clinton, you know, she has left the administration. she is working on a book. as we know now, she is giving speeches around the country.

all part of a plan of some sort, certainly, for her reemergence on the public stage. but if and when she decides to run for president in 2016, having anthony weiner as part of the baggage that she is going to have to deal with is i think one bag too many. >> talking about she is giving speeches. maria teresa, she spoke last night, and she addressed specific voter suppression issues. take a listen. >> legislators in north carolina have pushed through bill that reads like the greatest hits of voter suppression. the attorney general of south carolina justified a harsh new voter id law by declaring that and i quote, we know for the fact that the identities of many dead people have been used for fraudulent voting. a claim soundly rejected by a subsequent state investigation. florida is restarting a purge of the voter roles that even with better lists is likely to

disproportionately affect minority voters and bring back memories of the 2000 election. >> i mean, weighing in on north carolina, south carolina, florida, i mean, maria teresa, does this sound like someone gearing up for a campaign? >> this is someone who knows that every single state is going to be a close one, and those demographics that she is talking about are basically highly contested states, and the voter suppression laws there are very real. it directly impacts her base. african-americans, millennials, women. do you know, reverend, and i'm sure you do, 34% of all eligible voting women don't have the right legal certification, don't have the right legal names, documents showing their real names. so even her fundamental base is in danger. and when you're looking at voter purging, when you're looking at north carolina law, the sweeping laws are going to affect whether or not she can turn out her base. >> 34% of women don't have what? >> don't have the proper identification that bears their legal name. and that obe because they have divorce and had to change their

legal documentation or they got married and haven't changed their documentation. >> which means that voter id would eliminate many if not all of the voter. >> hillary voters. exactly. hillary voters. >> wow. >> it's a big deal. >> now, jonathan, looking at let's say for the sake of this discussion, that mrs. clinton is going to run. for example, a recent poll found 77% of new york democrats have an unfavorable view of weiner. 77%. how far away from weiner do you think the clintons want to stay if they're getting ready to run again? >> about a thousand miles. maybe a few light years. look, i think by the time 2016 comes and by the time hillary clinton decides whether she is going to jump in the race, anthony weiner will have long been in the rear view mirror. certainly new york political history, but also on the political landscape we'll be that nettling nuisance that

she'll have to answer, because of the fact that weiner is married to someone very -- to someone very close to her. but you said -- i think it was you, rev, who said something at the beginning of the segment after showing the clip of secretary clinton speaking at the aba yesterday. you know, you ask is this the speech of a potential candidate for president? and i take it a step further. you know, what hillary clinton is doing is she is speaking as a leader. whether hillary clinton runs for president or not in 2016, the ground that she is staking right now is that of a leader, of someone who knows her place in her party and in american political history. >> she is addressing an important issue. but i have to say this, maria teresa, and i'm out of time. but we can't just talk about hillary because it has been reported by "the new york times" that vice president joe biden is going to be the keynote speaker

at a big iowa fundraiser next month. so it's a lot of 2016 possibilities going around. >> possibilities. i mean, wouldn't you have wanted to be in that conversation with hillary and biden with that breakfast two weeks ago? what was that about? clearly she nodded to him saying i'm rung. i might be too. it will be interesting. he is definitely putting out feelers. >> well, maria teresa kumar and jonathan capehart, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. president obama talks about the digital divide of growing inequality and access to information. we'll look at how some are making the internet available to everyone.

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in countries where we -- in a country where we expect free wifi with our coffee, why shouldn't we have it in our schools, right? these are the tools that our children deserve. there is no reason why we can't do all this. >> as americans, we've come to expect internet access wherever

we go. it's become an absolutely vital tool, not just for our kids, but for everyone. yet despite this access isn't available to everyone, and the gap is striking. nationwide, only 40% of households below the poverty line have broad band access at home. compare that to 93% of households with incomes above $75,000 a year that have access to the web. now why does that matter? because that gap extends further than just the internet. it's often the difference in finding a job, excelling in school, even just getting by in day to day life. joining me now is david cohn, executive vice president of comcast, the nation's largest internet provider to residential customers, and congressman chaka fortal, congressman from pennsylvania. he has been a leader in the

fight to expand internet access since before facebook and twitter even existed. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you, reverend. good to be with you. >> david, let me go to you first. i know you well. obviously, comcast is the parent company of msnbc. but i wanted to talk to you about what we've talked about in private, because it really bothers me that in many communities that we're telling kids to get an education, that we're telling people to access the things that will help them. they are not getting internet access. what is comcast doing about it? >> well, first of all, the statistic you gave is absolutely right. i'll give you another one which you can add to your panoply, which is more than 70% of white house holds in america have internet access at home, and fewer than 50% of african-american households have access to the internet at home. so this is not only this digital divide is not only income-based, it is also race-based.

and, you know, for america, which is the richest nation on earth, the most technologically advanced nation on earth, the most powerful nation on earth, tolerating that type of a digital divide should be unacceptable to everyone in this country. what we're doing at comcast about it is a program called internet essentials. you and i have talked about it before. congressman fatah is well aware of the program. he has been a staunch supporter in washington and in philadelphia. what we're doing is very simple. if you have a child living in your household who is eligible to participate in the national school lunch program, you can participate in this program, and you get internet access for $9.95 a month. you get the option to buy a fully internet capable computer subsidized by comcast at less than $150. and you get access to a full suite of digital literacy materials in print, online, and in person. and we have trained in the first

22 months of this program over 20,000 people, students, kids, and their parents and families into how to use the internet and what the internet is useful for. >> now congressman, this class and race divide is something that you and i are very concerned about. we cannot tell people they can make it if we cannot democratize internet access, congressman. >> well, you know, we had a web-based education commission that i helped lead in the congress with senator kerry. and this digital divide really prohibits our young people from being able to take advantage of all of the thousands of courses now being offered online for free by our greatest universities. they can't go after that. there are jobs that only accept application i don't understand line. so internet essentials. and i was there when that was announced in a great community center in north philadelphia, the comcast center, and now it's

in its second year. it's almost reached a million people, 900,000. but there is more to be done. and i think that the deal here is for a price that is less than what you might spend at mcdonald's for a meal, you can have internet access. that's the real point. and as we see other companies think about what do about expanding access across the globe, you know, what this is focusing on is right here in america. >> cost is a big factor. cost is a big factor. >> absolutely. >> but david, lots of reporting has been done on the digital divide. but in addition to costs, people also feel as if the internet is a completely different language. watch this. >> mary campbell admits -- >> it's a language i don't know. >> technology has passed her by. >> the people without internet either can't afford it or don't know how to use it. >> not everyone grew up with computers. not everyone had computers in

their households. and a lot of people have worked 20 years at a career and not had to use a computer in their daily activity. >> how do we deal with that, david? >> reverend, it's interesting. the research shows the number one barrier to broad band adoption is a whole bucket of digital literacy-related issues. people don't know what the internet. they don't know how to use it. they don't know the value of it. they don't appreciate the importance of it in the ways that you have talked about. that's why the digital literacy program that i outlined is such an important part of this. but even more importantly, because we're reaching today on your program more people than we would have reached through that digital literacy training, we need the help of the media and elected officials and nonprofit organizations to bring the message of the importance of the internet home. and i want to underscore something. i mean, yes we focus this program on the national school lunch program. as the congress said, we're announcing today that we have

now connected over 900,000 low-income americans to the internet. that's equivalent to the entire population of cities like -- of cities like jacksonville, florida, and san francisco, california. we're doing that to not only to equalize educational opportunity, but also to equalize educational opportunity, access to health care, access to news and information. 80% of the fortune 500 companies today only accept job applications online. >> 80%. so meaning you can't apply to those companies unless you have access to the internet? >> you've got it. how about that for a barrier, a barrier to employment, completely inadvertent, but also completely solvable as a result of this program. >> david cohn and congressman chaka fattah, thank you both for your time. we're going to monitor this program as it developments. >> go on line and sign for

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it's time for "reply al." remember, friend or foe, i want to know. pam says north carolina is being destroyed by this north carolina general assembly. we've got to vote all these republicans out. thanks for the e-mail, pam. the best thing you can do to change the radical voter id law just signed is to fight it. today senator hagan from north carolina called on attorney general eric holder to review the voting law. don't forget, the day the supreme court turned and said

that section 4 was unconstitutional, that day texas changed the laws and the attorney general says we're going in to texas. we should say we join hagan. we want you, mr. holder, to go into north carolina. jerry writes why haven't you mentioned anything about the three blacks that beat a 13-year-old on a school bus? just wondering. well, thanks for the question, jerry. what jerry is asking about is this scene. three teenagers beat up a sixth grader on the bus last month. the boy was kicked and stomped about 23 times, suffered two black eyes, bruising, and a broken hand. these three teens were arrested and appeared in court today. now i've heard had some tweets on this, and i heard some folks at fox saying why hasn't sharpton gone down there and marched? because this young man was viciously beaten, it was wrong, but the assailants were arrested. the reason i went to sanford,

florida, was they did not arrest george zimmerman. the reason i went to geena, louisiana, they didn't arrest the people. you fight an injustice when the system doesn't work. the system worked here. these boys should face the law, but so should others. and you can't fight an injustice if the system is working. why would i think you guys know anything about fighting injustice? thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. voter id laws, a solution in search of a problem. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm michael smerconish in for chris